Comments on: Conversation ownership and the FriendFeed backlash. http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/ Asking the awkward questions so you don't have to. Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:48:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - Some Thoughts on Friendfeed Stealing Conversations from Blogs http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Dare Obasanjo aka Carnage4Life - Some Thoughts on Friendfeed Stealing Conversations from Blogs Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:02:47 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-269 [...] because there are more comments happening in Friendfeed than on their post. Colin Walker tells the the story of Rob La Gesse who signed up for FriendFeed only to cancel his account because his "friends" on the site preferred [...] [...] because there are more comments happening in Friendfeed than on their post. Colin Walker tells the the story of Rob La Gesse who signed up for FriendFeed only to cancel his account because his “friends” on the site preferred [...]

]]> By: My Comments, Your Comments | Not So Relevant http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-271 My Comments, Your Comments | Not So Relevant Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:28:39 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-271 [...] how does this relate to data portability? Well, over the last few days a discussion has emerged about who actually owns comments. If you comment on my blog, do I own the comment or do [...] [...] how does this relate to data portability? Well, over the last few days a discussion has emerged about who actually owns comments. If you comment on my blog, do I own the comment or do [...]

]]> By: My Ears Are Burning - Finding The Chatter | Fog of Eternity | Website design and discussion http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-273 My Ears Are Burning - Finding The Chatter | Fog of Eternity | Website design and discussion Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:15:51 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-273 [...] been a lot of discussion in the blogosphere about the fragmentation of conversation. It was a topic that came up a lot last week. I’m not going to judge whether that [...] [...] been a lot of discussion in the blogosphere about the fragmentation of conversation. It was a topic that came up a lot last week. I’m not going to judge whether that [...]

]]> By: WinExtra » "Give me my precious" http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-272 WinExtra » "Give me my precious" Tue, 27 May 2008 22:00:41 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-272 [...] Colin Walker wrote this morning that as far as FriendFeed was concerned this was going to have to be something they were going to have to deal with. Probably sooner than later. Colin pointed out that while it might be fine to delete your own posts and comments made on FriendFeed that shouldn’t mean that his comments get deleted as well. This might be all well and fine but really what kind of sense would any comments make if the impetus for those comments are removed. Sorry but that makes no sense to me. [...] [...] Colin Walker wrote this morning that as far as FriendFeed was concerned this was going to have to be something they were going to have to deal with. Probably sooner than later. Colin pointed out that while it might be fine to delete your own posts and comments made on FriendFeed that shouldn’t mean that his comments get deleted as well. This might be all well and fine but really what kind of sense would any comments make if the impetus for those comments are removed. Sorry but that makes no sense to me. [...]

]]> By: colinwalker http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-284 colinwalker Tue, 27 May 2008 17:27:12 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-284 Thanks for all the comments. Rob, the post wasn't intended as an attack on what you did or did not intend to do but as observation on the shortcomings of tbe situation. FF do need to take some steps to resolve the issues around removing data. The difference now to the old bbs days is that people are now far more aware of what IP actually is. Thanks for all the comments. Rob, the post wasn't intended as an attack on what you did or did not intend to do but as observation on the shortcomings of tbe situation. FF do need to take some steps to resolve the issues around removing data. The difference now to the old bbs days is that people are now far more aware of what IP actually is.

]]> By: notes, thoughts, ideas and responses » Don’t Touch That Media http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-270 notes, thoughts, ideas and responses » Don’t Touch That Media Tue, 27 May 2008 06:00:45 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-270 [...] and raising new questions. Steven Hodson shared his thoughts and writes a nice round-up of what Colin Walker, Mathew Ingram and Cyndy think should be [...] [...] and raising new questions. Steven Hodson shared his thoughts and writes a nice round-up of what Colin Walker, Mathew Ingram and Cyndy think should be [...]

]]> By: Robin Cannon http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Robin Cannon Tue, 27 May 2008 03:33:39 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-283 Whole thing strikes me as a bit of a storm in a teacup. I'd never even considered my ownership of comments on FriendFeed or other blogs, certainly I'd never felt like it was hugely important I maintained rights over them.<br><br>On FriendFeed, if the original item is deleted from the feed then it makes sense that the comments are removed also. Otherwise it's a discussion with no initial context, which is frankly just going to clog things up and confuse. And ultimately there'll be a natural selection in any case so that users who do try to abuse the feature, and delete things to remove the comments...well their posts will just end up being uncommented. Whole thing strikes me as a bit of a storm in a teacup. I'd never even considered my ownership of comments on FriendFeed or other blogs, certainly I'd never felt like it was hugely important I maintained rights over them.

On FriendFeed, if the original item is deleted from the feed then it makes sense that the comments are removed also. Otherwise it's a discussion with no initial context, which is frankly just going to clog things up and confuse. And ultimately there'll be a natural selection in any case so that users who do try to abuse the feature, and delete things to remove the comments…well their posts will just end up being uncommented.

]]> By: mrbeck http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-282 mrbeck Tue, 27 May 2008 03:17:39 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-282 I offer a different view of what transpired yesterday evening. <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/4d716f6c-2b60-11dd-a8ee-003048343a40">http://friendfeed.com/e/4d716f6c-2b60-11dd-a8ee...</a> I offer a different view of what transpired yesterday evening. http://friendfeed.com/e/4d716f6c-2b60-11dd-a8ee…

]]> By: Shey http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-291 Shey Tue, 27 May 2008 01:39:20 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-291 I see your point -- but I still think the user should control the content they created. If they want to delete their thought, the should have that right.<br><br>It would be great to have a export solution to get around that though, so commentors could keep an archive or backup their comments. I see your point — but I still think the user should control the content they created. If they want to delete their thought, the should have that right.

It would be great to have a export solution to get around that though, so commentors could keep an archive or backup their comments.

]]> By: Carsten Pötter http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Carsten Pötter Tue, 27 May 2008 01:21:43 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-289 You have a point there. :)<br><br>Just one more point to consider, though: Let's assume you wrote a thought provoking article which stirred a lot of discussion on your blog. However the majority of comments were made via systems which reserve the rights to commenters. Suddenly most of them delete their accounts, the systems go bankrupt, whatever. The discussion on your article will be worthless then.<br><br>Maybe there is a solution to the problem already. I don't know. You have a point there. :)

Just one more point to consider, though: Let's assume you wrote a thought provoking article which stirred a lot of discussion on your blog. However the majority of comments were made via systems which reserve the rights to commenters. Suddenly most of them delete their accounts, the systems go bankrupt, whatever. The discussion on your article will be worthless then.

Maybe there is a solution to the problem already. I don't know.

]]> By: Andrea Hill (afhill) http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-276 Andrea Hill (afhill) Tue, 27 May 2008 01:20:15 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-276 Another difference? At the time I was probably posting as "geekgirl0821" or something similar. Nowadays many of us want "our content" associated with our names rather than a cryptic screen name. It's that whole idea of a personal brand.. but just like a brand may not be able to control everything that people say about them, perhaps we as individuals need to recognize a limit to our control. Another difference? At the time I was probably posting as “geekgirl0821″ or something similar. Nowadays many of us want “our content” associated with our names rather than a cryptic screen name. It's that whole idea of a personal brand.. but just like a brand may not be able to control everything that people say about them, perhaps we as individuals need to recognize a limit to our control.

]]> By: Shey http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-288 Shey Tue, 27 May 2008 00:08:26 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-288 Blogging as we know it <em>is</em> changing. More and more bloggers are realizing this.<br><br>Does it mean we need to shut down blog comments completely? No.<br><br>Can we still accept distributed conversations and encourage keeping comments on the posts? Yes. Colin has done just that by adding Disqus and the FF comments plugin. The comments get to stay here on the blog and the reader still gets to manage his/her own comments -- win-win in my book. Blogging as we know it is changing. More and more bloggers are realizing this.

Does it mean we need to shut down blog comments completely? No.

Can we still accept distributed conversations and encourage keeping comments on the posts? Yes. Colin has done just that by adding Disqus and the FF comments plugin. The comments get to stay here on the blog and the reader still gets to manage his/her own comments — win-win in my book.

]]> By: Rob La Gesse http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-281 Rob La Gesse Mon, 26 May 2008 23:37:35 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-281 Oh, and to clear up one more thing - I was NOT trying to "control the conversation". I WAS trying to control where I participated in it - and I did not want to do that on FriendFeed. <br><br>I've been using Social Media since I ran dial-up BBS's in the early 1980's - I am not naive enough to believe that any conversation can be "controlled". Oh, and to clear up one more thing – I was NOT trying to “control the conversation”. I WAS trying to control where I participated in it – and I did not want to do that on FriendFeed.

I've been using Social Media since I ran dial-up BBS's in the early 1980's – I am not naive enough to believe that any conversation can be “controlled”.

]]> By: Rob La Gesse http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-280 Rob La Gesse Mon, 26 May 2008 23:34:29 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-280 My comment policy is clearly marked in the Terms of Use page on my Blog. FriendFeed did not make their comment policy as clear - and in fact did not even notify me that removing my feed would delete all related content. Should I have "expected" it to delete associated content? I don;t think so. Should they have warned me that associated data would be removed? Yes, I think they should have. My comment policy is clearly marked in the Terms of Use page on my Blog. FriendFeed did not make their comment policy as clear – and in fact did not even notify me that removing my feed would delete all related content. Should I have “expected” it to delete associated content? I don;t think so. Should they have warned me that associated data would be removed? Yes, I think they should have.

]]> By: Michael Beck http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Michael Beck Mon, 26 May 2008 23:18:34 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-275 Right on! And nobody referred to their posts as "their content" at that time, either. Interesting watching this shift in terms of how we think about what we contribute to the Internet. Right on! And nobody referred to their posts as “their content” at that time, either. Interesting watching this shift in terms of how we think about what we contribute to the Internet.

]]> By: Carsten Pötter http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-287 Carsten Pötter Mon, 26 May 2008 20:22:29 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-287 You can't do that on most blogs. If you have commented you can just sit and watch what will happen next. Yes, you make the reservation "especially if its not on his blog", but what you're saying here essentially means the end of blogging as we know it today. You can close comments completely on blogs with that point of view. Blog post here but comments on disparate sites which are owned by the commenters. You can't do that on most blogs. If you have commented you can just sit and watch what will happen next. Yes, you make the reservation “especially if its not on his blog”, but what you're saying here essentially means the end of blogging as we know it today. You can close comments completely on blogs with that point of view. Blog post here but comments on disparate sites which are owned by the commenters.

]]> By: videoblog http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-279 videoblog Mon, 26 May 2008 19:26:23 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-279 man, this is strange, very strange. man, this is strange, very strange.

]]> By: svartling http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-278 svartling Mon, 26 May 2008 18:28:42 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-278 Well if friendfeed owns all comments they should remove the possibility to delete them.<br>If not, I think the poster of the link, picture, text etc. should have the power to remove them from the post. Well if friendfeed owns all comments they should remove the possibility to delete them.
If not, I think the poster of the link, picture, text etc. should have the power to remove them from the post.

]]> By: Shey http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-286 Shey Mon, 26 May 2008 17:51:23 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-286 Because the blogger doesn't own my comment. I do. My comment = my content. I should be able to edit, delete, and manage my own content however I see fit. How can the blogger own something that I wrote? Especially if its not on his blog? Because the blogger doesn't own my comment. I do. My comment = my content. I should be able to edit, delete, and manage my own content however I see fit. How can the blogger own something that I wrote? Especially if its not on his blog?

]]> By: colinwalker http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008/05/conversation-ownership-and-the-friendfeed-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-277 colinwalker Mon, 26 May 2008 17:44:31 +0000 http://colinwalker.me.uk/?p=148#comment-277 Is there not a difference between comments made in a service like FriendFeed rather than those made directly at the blog? Is there not a difference between comments made in a service like FriendFeed rather than those made directly at the blog?

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